Joe West, who worked last year, is 68 and set this season to pass Bill Klems all-time record of 5,375 games. And an impressive ledger in the books 3,810 games in the regular season over 32 years, plus four World Series assignments and four All-Star Games. But he's a good umpire. As Mets manager Buck Showalter stood next to him . West told ESPN in October that owning that record was his goal. Addition umpired in Triple-A East last year. In 2007, The Hardball Times reviewed MLB umpire strike zones and determined that West was the most consistent umpire in the majors. Who would ever have thought hed stay with the As just as long as Connie Mack,? I get to leave on my own, and now travel. So, I always wear a diaper. "He probably sold more beer for Anheuser-Busch than all of their Super Bowl ads put together. 5,376 in May, passing Bill Klem . Well-respected crew chiefs Ted Barrett, Greg Gibson, Tom Hallion, Sam Holbrook, Jerry Meals, Jim Reynolds and Bill Welke are among the group to hang up their chest protectors, while Marty Foster, Paul Nauert and Tim Timmons will join them in retirement. I am honored and blessed to have the privilege of becoming the first Puerto Rican umpire to be hired by MLB, Ortz said. Youd have governors, senators, actors, astronauts, generals and dignitaries sitting in the back of the booth during games, enjoying themselves with food and adult beverages, while Shannon was on the air, entertaining folks in between innings. These days, they are there by noon. "Freddie really wanted it. ), ( 12:45 pm ET. He sued former MLB catcher Paul Lo Duca, who claimed former pitcher Billy Wagner bribed West with a chance to drive a vintage car in exchange for a widened strike zone. 44 "We added an ice cream machine in the clubhouse during the year," Anthopoulos said. ), ( I'll miss that.". The Florida resident has 253 games of Major League experience as a call-up umpire. 8 I dont have buyers remorse at all. 43 That was one of the few years Winters didnt work the playoffs, as he called 103 postseason games. 16 Ben has 650 Major League games as a call-up umpire since 2014 and worked Triple-A West in 2021. ), ( 2x NL Comeback Player of the Year (2012, 2021) The break gave me a good window into the future, and I liked the view, he said. I dont want to be that guy in press box watching a guy holding a couple of paddles over me, and yell, 'Clear., "This has not been a job, its been a privilege.". He gets the nod over Gerrit Cole of the Yankees, who had a 5.13 ERA in six September starts. Take a look at the recently retired baseball players list below and vote up the MLB stars you'll miss most, or those you think contributed the most to the game. But if youre on blood thinners, MLB regulations prohibityou from working as an umpire for fear of getting hit by a pitch, or cut, causing excessive bleeding that could lead to death. Look to this list regularly to seethebest baseballplayerswho retired in 2021, either because it was their time or because injuries cut a promising career short. For all of us.". 431 13 ), ( Theyre not perfect yet. There was a little tangle on a force play and Tommy Lasorda came out. ), ( The biggest bidder for Correas services could be the Detroit Tigers, who say they will spend, and could reuniteCorrea with manager A.J. CAREER: Was promoted to the Major League staff before the 2022 seasonbecame a Minor League Umpire in 2006, when he also began working Major League Spring TrainingSean has 690 Major League games as a callup umpire since 2014he worked Triple-A East in 2021. An umpire in the booth calling a game would be an amazing perspective, and despite how much hate he gets on here, Joe West is very knowledgeable on baseball and is a good character. "Its pretty unbelievable what hes done. The pitching staff yielded a major-league best 2.92 ERA with the most saves (10). The Missouri resident has 187 games of Major League experience as a call-up umpire. 6 All-Star (2014) West told ESPN back in October that he planned to retire at. 2 Job-Seekers, Post Comments And theres not a tap, or even can of beer, to be found. 3Gold Glove Award(2011, 2014, 2018) NL Rookie of the Year (2010) 16 LOU DiMURO. ), ( "I have 40 years of service, Joe has 44 years of service, and with 10,000 games combined, that will never, ever happen again,"says Davis, only the fourth umpire to work 5,000 games. Robbie Ray, Blue Jays: When you lead the league with a 2.84 ERA and pitch more innings than anyone while keeping your team in the playoff race, you've earned yourself the award. Social media showed mixed reactions to West's retirement, and many remembered his 2015 stare-down with then-Giants pitcher Madison Bumgarner that went viral. Close Call Sports objectively tracks and analyzes close and controversial calls in sport, with great regard for the rules and spirit of the game. It was a test for a rookie umpire. Hes off to other endeavors, be it visiting the Far East, checking out the Westminster dog show or polishing his culinary skills. The Virginia resident has 195 games of Major League experience as a call-up umpire. MLB Power Rankings: Who's No. Randy Arozarena, Rays: Arozarena will bethe first player to win the ALCS MVP award one year, and the Rookie of the Year the next. Instead, he and wife Ali both ran the New York City Marathon that November. Major League Baseball announced today that 10 umpires have been promoted to the full-time Major League staff. Joe West, one of baseball's most well-known umpires, is reportedly retiring at the end of the 2021 season. "So, I pop off that I never missed a game,"Swanson says, "and then on July 7 (2021), I had to miss a game to have back surgery. Bassitt and the Toronto Blue Jays agreed to a three-year, $63 million contract on December 16, 2022. His radio booth, the largest in the major leagues, became the most popular place in St. Louis. My refrigerator has more range that you.". MLB-High 10 Umpires Retire During 2022-2023 Off-Season It's official10 Major League Baseball umpires have retired following the 2022 season, a record-high for the unified MLB era and most since 1999, when a failed contract strategy led to 22 resignations. He had that unique relationship with the fan base. Early in his career, Shannon challenged a racist heckler and his friends to a fight and earning the respect and affection of his black teammates. We were going back and forth on texts in June and I said, 'If we win the division Im getting one delivered to your house.' Ortiz and Additon are joined by Sean Barber, John Libka, and Ben May. Since the start of the 2020 season, he leads the major leagues with 29 quality starts and five complete games. 2 World Series champion (2007, 2013)[a] Instead of taking it easy and simply working in the press box, Swanson found himself on the mound, throwing out the ceremonial first pitch. pic.twitter.com/6r9YRLbOcG. Then again, Mack was never a peanut vendor, ball boy, visiting clubhouse attendant, home clubhouse attendant, or equipment manager. ), ( Photo by Brian Rothmuller/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images. ), ( 479 Mahrley has served in the United States Air Force. ), ( Ortiz, 37, has been a Minor League Umpire since 2009. "I'm incredibly proud of the crews that I worked with and everything baseball provided for me. The Florida resident has 382 games of Major League experience as a call-up umpire. Its just been a great love affair between dad and the Cardinals Nation, with so many people across the country listening him over the years. AL MVP (2008) MORE: Juan Soto for NL MVP? Joe West retires as the all-time leader in games umpired. Why it matters: The 10 umps have worked over 200 combined MLB seasons and 16 World Series professional experience that won't be easily replaced. He started as a professional ump in 1982 and can still recall those early days in the low-level Northwest League. One of 12 umps to opt out during the pandemic-shortened season, the 62-year-old Winters has made it official. Were talking about nearly 200 years combined in the game by this beloved quartet, whose grace and dignity will never be forgotten, and will be sorely missed by those of us privileged to call each of them a friend. . There is Steve Vucinich, a batboy once recommended for a job by Hall of Famer Joe DiMaggio, retiring after 54 years as the revered Oakland Athletics equipment manager. Joe West, who worked last year, is 68 and set this season to pass Bill Klem's all-time record of 5,375 games.. West, 68, broke the record for most games umpired, held by Bill Klem, when he was behind the . Ryan has 381 Major League games of on-field experience as a call-up umpire since 2017, and he was behind the plate for last season's no-hitter by Corey Kluber, then of the New York Yankees, at Texas. Edward Sutelan is a content producer at The Sporting News. Each of them have earned World Series rings, but only one ever played Major League Baseball, and that was 50 years ago. ), ( Whether they're finishing their careersastop baseball stars or calling it quits after a few up-and-down seasons, all these great MLB players retiring in 2021have given the game their all. I also congratulate our 10 new Major League Umpires and our staffs seven new crew chiefs.. "Ive been contemplating the decision for the last few months,"Jarrn, 85, said. And have picked up only one game on the San Francisco Giants. Transactions Washington Nationals Major League Baseball Polarizing MLB umpire Joe West is retiring. "Im almost certainly going to ride off with him, but Im not formally saying that"Wainwright said. He made the majors at 23, with his debut game on Sept. 14, 1976. "It was funny as hell," Davis said. I didnt realize I made an impact. In 2006 Sports Illustrated published a survey of 470 MLB players that identified the best and worst umpires. There is umpire Gerry Davis, who will umpire behind the plate Sunday for the Cardinals-Cubs game in his hometown of St. Louis one last time, and retire after umpiring his 5,000th game. Share. Danley spent 25 years umpiring in the Majors after becoming a collegiate All-American baseball player at San Diego State University, where he was teammates with future Hall of Famer Tony Gwynn. "I thought I would do it last year but the season got a little messed up and I don't think it was right to work until the point of the record then just quit," West admitted. The Most Overpaid Professional Athletes Of 2019, The Greatest Baltimore Orioles of All Time, The Greatest Baseball Players Of All Time, The Greatest Jewish Players In MLB History. Malachi Moore, 32, has been a Minor League Umpire since 2012. Developed from The Left Field Corner's MLB Umpire Ejection Fantasy League (UEFL), baseball's number one source for umpire ejections, video instant replay reviews and their corresponding calls, with great regard for the rules and spirit of the game. Atlanta second baseman Ozzie Albies, 5-foot-8, is the second-shortest player to produce a 30 homer, 100 RBI, 100-run season behind only Hack Wilson, who was 5-foot-6. Every single game he was scheduled to work, he was there. "Several of my favorite athletes growing up retired like three times, and I dont want to retire three times. Joe West, who worked last year, is 68 and set this season to pass Bill Klem's all-time record of 5,375 games.. ), ( "Cowboy Joe" or "Country Joe" as he was nicknamed, has worked six World Series, served as the president of the MLB Umpires association from 2009 until 2018, andin 1988, appeared in the motion picture,The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad! "Country Joe" can be combative. Life was simpler back in those days. Danley will be the first African-American crew chief, while Marquez becomes the first Mexican-born crew chief. He had a notable scrap with volatile Milton Bradley in 2007, and was docked the last few games of the season for his actions. Ortzs promotion makes MLB history -- he is the first Puerto Rican-born full-time Major League umpire. ), ( There is Mike Swansonraised in Kansas City where his mom was a revered secretary for the Chiefs and legendary coach Hank Stramsitting in the Kauffman Stadium press box, retiring after 43 years as the Royals' decorated public relations director. Jed Lowrie Announces Retirement By Steve Adams | March 23, 2023 at 11:13am CDT Former All-Star second baseman Jed Lowrie tells Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle that he's retiring. And, if not for a certain Hall of Famer named Joe DiMaggio, Vucinich perhaps never gets into baseball, where he has worked in Oakland longer than most of the employees have been alive. West isn't the only umpire hanging up his mask and pads for good, as MLB Communications issued a statement naming others to do so, and named five others being promoted. PERSONAL: Born in May 1985. Gibson makes final call: MLB umpire retires after 24-year career Mark Maynard | Kentucky Today Oct 5, 2022 1 of 3 Home plate umpire Greg Gibson looks on during a game in Phoenix between. Gerry Davis, one of eight crew chiefs who opted out last year, also turns 68 this month. Promoted to the National League staff in 1990, Winters thumbed 108 guys in all. I gave it a good go. Believe me, hes going to be missed. Davis, who attended the first game at Busch Stadium in 1966, and still has the certificate to prove it, also umpired the final game at the original Busch Stadium. Beltre, who had three hits and a homer in the game, refused, and instead dragged the on-deck circle to where he stood. All of the new Major League Umpires have worked Major League Spring Training games since becoming call-up umpires: The new umpires fill the slots left by the retirements of 10 veteran Major League Umpires: Michael Hill, Major League Baseballs Senior Vice President for On-Field Operations, said: On behalf of Major League Baseball, it is a pleasure to thank these 10 retiring umpires for their professionalism, leadership and contributions to the game. Kevin Cash, Rays: They lost two of their top starters in Blake Snell and Charlie Morton in the offseason, lostace Tyler Glasnow to injury, traded their shortstop and closer during the season, and still managed to win more games than any team in the American League. Jarrn has called three perfect games, 22 no-hitters, 30 World Series and 30 All-Star games. They are just 10-52 this season (.161) when scoring three or fewer runs. Sciambi, his close friend, passed. 313 Im looking forward to going straight from behind the plate to my La-Z-Boy.". Burnes is also the first pitcher in history to lead his league in strikeout rate, walk rate and home-run rate. Consider it a retirement benefit, in fact. He has worked 371 Major League games as a callup umpire since 2017. Runs batted in: 1,046, Announced retirement on September 14, 2021, Career Achievements: No official word yet on whether any other umpires will follow his path in 2021. September stretch has him looking like a contender. West sued for defamation, saying the remarks hurt his chances ofbeing elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame. The retirements come a year after Joe West, who umpired the most games in history, called it quits. No one is ever going to umpire 5,000 games again.". 11 He set the record, previously held by Hall of Fame umpire Bill Klem, on May 25, 2021, at Guaranteed Rate Field in Chicago during a game between the White Sox and Cardinals. 34 They had two shutouts, and nine times held the opposition to two or fewer runs. "Not a lot of guys get to go out on their own terms,"Vucinich says. Remember, the biggest contract they ever gave to a player since Jim Crane became owner was the four-year, $52 million deal for Josh Reddick. "You see guys pushed out, forced out, or just fired. "I was talking to David after the game," Senzel said. Each of the retiring umpires made his mark in the history books. Bruce Bochy is the obvious choice to take over, but dont rule out Bob Melvin of the Oakland As, either, while Buck Showalter also a candidate. ), ( "I remember when I started Id have to sneak guys a hot dog and sandwich before games because everyone thought players couldnt play well on a full stomach,"Vucinich says. With these retirements, the new crew chiefs are longtime Major League Umpires Lance Barksdale, Dan Bellino, Chris Conroy, James Hoye, Adrian Johnson, Alan Porter and Todd Tichenor. West umpired a record 5,460 MLB games over 45 years. There was only one home and road uniform for each players, not the dozens of different jerseys and caps players wear each year, not to mention all of the different style of clothes. 9 West told ESPN back in October that he planned to retire at the end of the 2021 season, and on Friday, he made it official. 10. Together, they make up baseballs Mount Rushmore, the kings of their crafts. Ryan Additon, Sean Barber, John Libka, Ben May and Roberto Ortz join the big league staff in place of Fieldin Culbreth, Kerwin Danley, Gerry Davis, Brian Gorman and Joe West. Six percent of the players picked West as the worst. (Lynne Sladky/AP) There are few more enduring some might even say charming aspects of . September stretch has him looking like a contender, According to a study by Boston University relased in 2019, and was awarded $500,000 plus interest in damages. I thought I had COVID. 268 West, 69, will retire as the all . Shohei Ohtani, Los Angeles Angels: The season Vladimir Guerrero has produced for the Toronto Blue Jays has been sensational with his 47 homers. Umpires have missed strike calls in 2021 at the highest rate since MLB instituted pitch-tracking data. 4 Silver Slugger Award (2012, 2014, 2015, 2017) "I'm so grateful to have the career that I did and to be a part of baseball history," Barrett said in a phone interview. Davis was actually planning to retire a year ago. "What high school do you go to, kid?" A Large Number of Veteran MLB Umpires Are Retiring December 29, 2022, by Brett Taylor Chicago Cubs We talk often about how you rarely know an MLB umpire's name if he's a highly effective one, but I suppose there's an exception there if it's a guy who's been around so long that you couldn't help but to have heard of him at some point. Home runs: 189 ), ( ), ( ), ( MLB is losing decades of experience over the past two offseasons. The retiring crew chiefs have called 16 World Series, and Barrett leads the way, having worked five Fall Classics. Others that reacted said they'd admittedly be sad to see him go. Gabe Kapler, Giants: When you enter Sunday with 106 victories, managing a team that wasnt expected to finishbetter than third, theres no reason to even talk about any other manager. 6-keys: media/spln/mlb/reg/free/stories, By pressing sign up, I confirm that I have read and agree to the. MLB offseason grades: Luis Arraez heads to Miami, but was the return enough for Pablo Lopez? Shane Livensparger, 38, has been a Minor League Umpire since 2009. Umpire Tom Hallion is retiring. The entered Sunday with a 51-110 record, 55 games out of first place. What Mets can learn from the biggest spenders in MLB history. ), ( 253 NL batting champion (2012), Career Achievements: In all, the retiring umpires have worked over 200 combined MLB seasons. The retirements have nothing to do with upcoming on-the-field rule changes for 2023, nor the possibility of the ABS (automatic balls and strikes) system being instituted at the MLB level in the near future. DiMaggio, who was an As vice president at the time, heard Vucinich ask equipment manager Al Zych for a job, paying $5 a day, in 1968. A full plate on deck. ), ( Swanson, who will assist the public relations crew during the World Series one last time, says the time is right to retire. Ortz, 37, has been an umpire in the Minor Leagues since 2009, and worked Triple-A East last year. Umpire Joe West to retire at end of 2021 MLB season, report says, Max Scherzer could top list as best midseason pitching acquisition of all time, Juan Soto for NL MVP? 7 All-Star (2012, 2013, 20152018, 2021) "The outpouring of congratulations from people I havent seen or talked to in years is just silly, but in a good way,"Swanson, 67, said. We wish them and their families well as they conclude their accomplished careers. Ten Major League Baseball umpires, including seven crew chiefs, retired at the end of December the largest turnover for the position since 1999, ESPN reports. Sean has 690 Major League games as a call-up umpire since 2014 and worked Triple-A East in 2021. Somewhere down the line, Winters might like to help out in his longtime field, perhaps in training or consulting. Malachi, who has deep ties to the MLB Youth Academy in Compton, plans to wear number 44 in honor of retired Major League Umpire Kerwin Danley. Libka, 34, has been a Minor League Umpire since 2010. The last time the league added as many as eight new umpires was in 2014, to account for instant replay. Thats the hardest part for me right now is just knowing that chances are its not looking great for October.". His son Mike is currently a major league baseball umpire with 2 1/2 years of service. Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. Davis, who was umpiring second base, ordered him to return to the on-deck circle. "He was a guy that made you feel like you were sitting together at a bar watching the game. Veteran umpires Gary Cederstrom, Dana DeMuth, Mike Everitt and Jeff Kellogg are all stepping away from the full-time Major League staff, creating four crew-chief vacancies that will be filled by Kerwin Danley, Dan Iassogna, Alfonso Marquez and Jim Reynolds. The coolest experience, though, was Joe Buck and John Smoltz singing his praises during the All-Star game broadcast with pictures of Swanson on the screen. ), ( NL MVP (2011) Jason Owens 10/4/2021 Joe West is retiring. ', Sources: 10 MLB umps retiring, most since '99, Sources: Harper OK'd 159 days after TJ surgery, Carrasco could return soon to depleted Mets staff, Rangers ace deGrom 'frustrated' to land on IL, Guardians trade LHP Pilkington to Diamondbacks, Twins will shut P Mahle down for at least 4 weeks, Cards broadcaster, 2-time champ Shannon dies, What the longest game in MLB history says about baseball today, Mexico City's uphill climb toward landing an MLB franchise. "I wanted to go out this way, in my hometown of St. Louis,"says Davis, who will have 130 friends and family members at the game, and a celebration afterwards at a downtown hotel. 2 min read. West made the decision to step. More AP MLB: https://apnews.com/MLB and https://twitter.com/AP_Sports, Paul Bereswill / Getty Images Sport / Getty, Veteran MLB umpire Mike Winters retires after opting out in 2020, Get the latest trending sports news daily in your inbox. Suspension is possible for Mets ace, who gets tossed in fourth inning of New York's win. ), ( "This is the perfect time for me to leave. 962 West, 68, has been an MLB umpire since 1976. The longtime MLB umpire informed MLB of his decision to call it quits after the playoffs. Ive made a couple of loaves so far. He started his rehab in late July, went back to work in August, and with the assistance of MLB officials, finagled the schedule where he could work his 5,000th game in his hometown of St. Louis where he once tended bar atThurmers, a local saloon. He's 68 years old. "The next night, he got on first base, took off his leg guard and said, 'Hello, Mr. It all kinda makes sense now: There is Cardinals broadcaster Mike Shannon, who will be behind the microphone in his luxurious Busch Stadium radio booth, stepping down after 50 years. If the Red Sox reach the postseason, they better score some runs if theyre to last longer than one game. ), ( ), ( Nestor Ceja, 35, has been a Minor League Umpire since 2012. "Father Time catches up with everyone, and Ive seen too many guys leave our profession because of injuries,"Davis says. Hits: 2,388 Former umpire Terry Tata, who was on Davis crew for more games than any other umpire, joked that its not really 5,000 games, saying the postseason doesnt count, leaving him at 4,849 games. Barry Bonds led off for Pittsburgh that night at Dodger Stadium; the next inning, positioned at third base, Winters found himself embroiled in his first beef. NL Hank Aaron Award (2012) Macfarlane said, 'First time having him, kid? 21 How awful are the Arizona Diamondbacks? Major League Baseball's owner-imposed lockout is now in its second month, but that didn't stop the league from announcing the promotion of five umpires to its full-time staff on Friday. Now, after umpiring his first game on June 9, 1982 in Montreal, with the Cardinals facing the Expos, its only fitting his last game is with the Cardinals. 4. Over the years, Winters and his wife voyaged all over the world, with the hike up Machu Picchu in Peru and a Major League Baseball tour to Japan among their favorite trips. One of his toughest came early in his career when he was warned of former pitcher David Cone's backdoor slider. All the MLB players who retirein 2021 will leavea lasting legacy that lives on. The Rangers were getting crushed, 22-10, by the Miami Marlins, when Beltre was standing outside the on-deck circle. "Im pretty blessed.". With the retirement of these five longtime umpires, the new Major League umpiring crew chiefs are Laz Daz, Greg Gibson, Marvin Hudson, Ron Kulpa and Bill Welke. Hmm, more than I thought, he said. ), ( Teddy Barrett can defuse any situation. ". He helped give us this treasure of a moment 1 890 Tom Hallion initially decided to retire in 2021 Hallion previously stated that he intended to end his. USA TODAY Sports' Scott Gleeson chronicles how pro baseball player Bryan Ruby found the courage to tell the world he's a gay man. Joe West has been a major-league umpire since 1976. . And when he moved the on-deck circle, he didnt give me a choice. 2 Fielding Bible Award (2015, 2016) In 2020, Danley became the first Black crew chief in MLB history. Was there a worse decision by a baseball team this past year than the Asletting hometown favorite Marcus Semien leave when he was begging to stay, and replace him with Elvis Andrus? The fans felt like they knew him even though they never met him, and he felt the same, loving them right back. 4 All-Star (20082010, 2013) The reworked schedule gave Winters a chance to reconsider, but he already was looking ahead to days off the diamond. ), Coach Ejected from NCAA Softball Game After Runner Called Out for Leaving Early on HR, Odor Misses Home, Kim Scores, Odor Out on Appeal for Trying to Return to Touch a Missed Base, Guerrero Awarded Home on ObstructionInterference on Next Play, MLB Ejection 027 - Dan Iassogna (1; Willson Contreras), Reversing an Incorrect Call - Sean Barber's Foul Ball. Worked two World Series, three League Championship Series and four All-Star Games. The next year, by the way, Lasorda became Winters first ejection, tossed for arguing balls and strikes. 3 World Series champion (2010, 2012, 2014) ), ( "I called his a ball way too early, then it broke over the plate and into [catcher] Mike Macfarlane's glove. 2 3030 club (2011, 2012) Andrus hit three home runs with 37 RBI and a .614 OPS. And the rest is history. He will step down having umpired a major-league record 151 postseason games, covering six World Series, 11 League Championship Series and 13 Division Series. 45 I thought it was 105.. When Swanson announced his retirement well, when his daughter, Rachel, actually broke the news on Twitter in June he proudly said that he had never missed a day of work in his career. Ranking MLB's radical City Connect uniforms: Which one's No. I agree to receive the "CBS Sports HQ Newsletter" and marketing communications, updates, special offers (including partner offers), and other information from CBS Sports and the Paramount family of companies. ), ( Even in all of my great years of drinking, I never fainted.". Now, he is faced with the anguish that he might have thrown his last pitch for the Dodgers, and perhaps the last of his career if he needs Tommy John surgery. Ten MLB umpires, including seven crew chiefs, are set to retire at the end of the month, making it the largest turnover at that job since 1999, sources familiar with the situation told ESPN. Nick Mahrley, 40, has been a Minor League Umpire since 2007.
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