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However, Kendra Tobler, marketing communications manager for Benchmade Knife Co., indicates grades of blade steel also factor in as well. Is there any particular diamond abrasive that you recommend? The regression achieves a very good R2 of 0.79. Tobler is another proponent of the marker method. I've found these stones to be a must-have item for the Spyderco Tri-Angle Sharpmaker they've helped me tackle some really dull edges. My very first knife was the Benchmade 940-1, which is made with CPM S90V. You are using an out of date browser. Understand that this is dependent on the clamping position of the knife. I havent bought any strop blocks for it yet. So Im learning. Knives with thin blades get a sharp edge faster when sharpened at lower angles. I have basically zero experience sharpening knives so I need something thats easy to pick up. H1 The major place where wear resistance starts to rear its ugly head is if your sharpening angle is *not* precisely the same as the bevel angle or if you're trying to reprofile to a different bevel angle, in which case I think it is very safe to say that S90V will be a lot more effort than Cruwear. Black Soft Loop included. Difficult may be the wrong word though, these steels are actually very nice to sharpen it just takes what seems like forever. I made several horrific mistakes. I used the Venev Resin Bonded. No exceptions. S90V, however, features higher wear resistance, and sharpening it is more challenging than 20cv. Sharpening angles between 22 and 30 degrees produce durable edges. Here are factors that determine the best sharpening angle for your knives. I do have a kangaroo strop on a wood block made for free hand stropping just havent gotten anything for the WE yet. I could shave with it if I really had to, but it would definitely leave serious razor burns. Periodic sharpening by . I know there are some guys around here though that can work some real magic with the SM. After using my Wicked Edge sharpener for three years, I finally knew what I was doing. Here's a look at the new Benchmade 940-1 after a visit to TheApostleP sharpening bench. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I do it all the time. Sharpening CPM S90V | Benchmade 940 iheart Knives 1.04K subscribers 5.9K views 3 years ago In this video I'll sharpen the Benchmade 940 in S90V and Carbon Fiber. Most of all, be safe, have fun and take satisfaction in the knowledge that, once you master establishing edge angles, you have become self-sufficient at sharpening. All About CPM S45VN Knife Steel By Larry Connelley | January 30, 2022 SUMMARY: CPM 345VN steel is a high alloy stainless steel with outstanding edge retention, increased corrosion resistance, and modest toughness. Rounded points are easy to fix, but thats another topic. Then the first time you sharpen the blade it still will require some profiling, that is some minor steel removal, to better shape the knife blade profile to match sharpening with the fixed angle sharpening wicked edge system. This is especially true if youre learning a new sharpening technique, such as re-establishing edge angles. JavaScript is disabled. without a micro bevel. Using the fine grit stones at about 20 per side may apply a micro bevel that should help the durability and longevity of the edge while retaining the sharpness. Generally, the wider the angle of edge, the more steel is behind it, which increases the edges toughness, Broce observes. I have a Manix2 in S90V. Some say that the steel needs to have a very highly polished edge. blue steel Hi Steve! USB microscope. Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 21 total), Wicked Edge Precision Knife Sharpener | Topic: S90V, This topic has 20 replies, 5 voices, and was last updated, This topic was modified 3 years, 11 months ago by, This reply was modified 3 years, 11 months ago by. The angle guide kits subtract the science of maintaining a consistent angle, so all you need do is concentrate on getting the edge sharp. I recently got a Benchmade 940-1 with S90V steel that Im using as my EDC. 52100 JavaScript is disabled. Its pretty much a downsized version of a larger and much more expensive 272 slack belt grinder used by many knifemakers. problem with these microscopes is you need a windows laptop or desktop to use them. 20CV You are 100% ready to go with the SM and s90v. I wasnt satisfied with the edge just yet, so switched to 6 micron diamond lapping film. by Wayne Goddard Also with what I have now the 200/600, 800/1000, and 1500/glass (and 9 Micron Diamond Lapping Film ), if you had those and could only get one more pair for now which set of strops would you purchase? I agree that the UF rods are a nice-to-have. On-Sale $301.95 List Price $484.95. A big part of sharpening, aside from proper sharpener selection, is how to select and maintain the proper angle of the blade to the sharpener. So far I've only got the basic setup, but I would like to add the diamond and super fine stones soon. The best angle to sharpen a knife depends on how you intend to use the knife, the thickness of the blade, the steel used to make the blade, the sharpening tools used, and your preference. I say a lansky systemthats what i use, and i can put a mirror edge on anythingcheck out bluntruth's vids on youtubehe does one on sharpening. Thin blades are much easier to sharpen to low edge angles than thick knives, Crawford states. The 9 should be fin.. not a big spread between 6 and 9 . Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Lansky Deluxe 4-Stone diamond Controlled-Angle Precision Knife Sharpening kit at the best online prices at eBay! 14C28N Im practicing on cheap knives before I try out the WE on my expensive knives. Crucible's s90v sits on the super steel end of the steels scale, same as the cpm 20cv. MSRP: $119.99. Your choice between the two determines the angle you will use. By low he means an edge angle between 15 and 20 degrees. Determining the right sharpness angle is an easy skill, but it might take you some time before you learn how to establish and maintain the right angle for different types of knives. Basically, is it something I can do with a Sharpmaker and minimal experience? A lower sharpening angle will give a very sharp edge, while wider angles give you a durable blade. He says the two keys are knife type/use and edge retention/maintenance. I was able to get a pretty good edge on this cheap $5 knife from walmart. Elmax s30v There are easier ways to reprofile/recut the bevel on S90V, but if you have the diamond rods you'll be fine. If the knife isnt positioned correctly no matter how you adjust the angle youll never make full bevel contact. MagnaCut Determining the best sharpening angle is easy as long as you know other knife sharpening basics. Then the first time you sharpen the blade it still will require some profiling, that is some minor steel removal, to better shape the knife blade profile to match sharpening with the fixed angle sharpening wicked edge system. On-Sale $109.05 List Price $199.95 As low as $103.60. 12C27 Add to Cart . This range is ideal for outdoor or kitchen knives used for tough applications. HLSG SKU: SKU: 200-PGA. Theres also a plastic storage case. Minimal burring issues. . w2 steel On the other hand, wider sharpening angles offer durable edges that can withstand abuse from demanding applications. Time, because steels like this sharpen just like any other steel, they just take more time and more of the same thing to get the same results. Different types of steel offer varied strength, and this impacts the sharpening edge. Here is an edge done to 6 micron then through the strops down to .5 My 100 grit stone is still a bit rough.. You must be logged in to access attached files. X50CrMoV15 steel, Factors That Determine the Right Sharpening Angle. Both steels have a similar ease of sharpening score (i.e., they're really hard to sharpen). As with the 14 Degree SelectEdge Guided Hone Tool, built-in guides assist in achieving the optimal angle for edge restoration. They are simple to use, very versatile (watch the video) and portable. Knives sharpened in this category offer both durability and sharpness, and it can be achieved using guided systems, sharpening stones, or powered sharpeners. It is a bit harder to get it to atom splitting levels of sharpness but that is more about the steel, not which sharpening media you are using. Neglecting this will diminish your ability to reach perfect apex (full burr) and ultimate sharpness depending on your final grit used. Somtimes youll need to rotate the knife tip up or tip down and move it forward or backwards to achieve this best position. Of ZDP (spyderco), S90V (spyderco), S110V (kershaw), and S125V (Fantoni) CPM-S90V from sypderco has been the most difficult steel I've ever sharpened. They do not require electricity to operate. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. 204 Sharpmaker will fix you up. I've often said the hardest part of the KA-BAR Gunny Knife: An Oversized Blade Commemorates a Larger-Than-Life Personality, Knifemaking: ABS Master Smith J.D. The knife turned out perfectly. The edge came out very nicely. The edges produced are less durable than wider sharpening angles, but the sharpness achieved pays off. Knives have no standard sharpening angle, but most kitchen knives are sharpened at a 15-20 degrees angle. You can use any quality sharpener as long as it fits the steel type. Sharpening angles of less than 10 degrees result in delicate edges that are easily damaged. It includes an extra coarse hone great for reprofiling edge angles. +1 on investing in a set of Spyderco Tri-Angle Diamond Stones (204D). Therefore, use angles between 15 and 17 if only you are looking for sharpness. This is a sharpening session, documented for observation purposes. At this point, the knife was so sharp I could drop a piece of paper on the edge, and the paper was cut cleanly in two pieces. What Is The Best Sharpening Angle For Beginners? Find the angles of your knives before you begin sharpening with this handy little titanium ruler tool. Steve, applying a marker to your knife edge, (I like red because its easy to see), will allow you to see exactly where your stones are impacting your knifes edge and removing steel, as it removes the markings. CPM 10V These images are taken from my book Knife Engineering. All you need to be concerned with is making the motions to get the edge sharp. Get the Sharpmaker, and a 6" utility stone from the hardware store (about $10), or a coarse diamond hone (usually about $20). Built-in guides set the blade at the correct 14-degree angle. Products search. You are 100% ready to go with the SM and s90v. Of course, I practiced on my kitchen knives before I decided to sharpen my Benchmade. if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'knifebasics_com-box-4','ezslot_8',110,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-knifebasics_com-box-4-0');The Rockwell hardness of the steel used to make your knife blade determines its durability. Nitro-V However, CPM 20CV blade steel offers better toughness, corrosion resistance, and it is easier to sharpen. I progressed to 1.5 micron diamond lapping film, and then finally to 0.1 micron diamond lapping film. Any less than 1 micron and you will notice a loss in performance. Maxamet by Wayne Goddard Free shipping for many products! Add to Cart. GATCO offers the Ultimate Diamond Hone Sharpening System, which is similar to the Lansky. Sharpening angles falling under this category produce very fine and delicate edges, but it is low for most knives. I used the Venev Resin Bonded Diamond Stone (240/400 FEPA Grit). Those are set at one angle and use carbide to get the job done. A sharpening angle of 10 to 17 degrees is still quite low for most knives. The abrasive belts measure 1 by 18 inches and make quick work of any sharpening task. Different sharpeners for this angle include guided systems, sharpening stones, or powered sharpeners. S90V, which I will forever more call goblin steel, is neat largely because of the vanadium content. Edge Pro & Paper wheels would be your best chance. Angle guides are tried and true and solve one of the biggest sharpening challengesestablish the angle and be consistent, Crawford says. The heat treatment is performed according to the specifications of the steel with the help of a digitally controlled furnace, which promotes accurate temperature regimes. If it gets bad, the Diamond rods will be needed to reprofile the bevel. Given modern day abrasives + power tools, I don't feel the need to go with diamonds unless I'm taking the blade to my diamond-paste strops:thumbup:. I sent the knife back to Benchmade, and they replaced the blade for only $30.00. 154CM Japanese knife manufacturers recommend 17 degrees for their knives, while western knife manufacturers use 20 degrees. The vanadium carbides that are peppered through the steel are extremely hard, so much so that trying to sharpen them with traditional whetstones won't abrade the carbides. Use the finest stone that will provide the results you are looking for with minimal work. Consequently, you get a guided sharpening system and a standalone sharpener for the price of one. Wicked Edge Precision Knife Sharpener All rights reserved. Of all the super steels, S90V is arguably the hardest to work with. It is ground thinner because S90V is a high-yield-strength steel that can retain its strength with a thinner edge without deforming or chipping. Hunter ICV In-Line / Angle Valve with Flow Control 3 in. Sharpening the Faith Angle. It helps for matching the edge angle already on the blade when resharpening, she observes. The answer is one that plagues knife neophytes and old hands alike. MSRP: $50. The 420 stainless Kershaw does well at 17 for meat, but won't hold it long in the field for hide and . Go. I made several horrific mistakes. Does anyone have any insight on how to get the most out of the steel? Thread starter-Lucky-Start date Dec 10, 2010; 1; 2; Next. I even showed it to my dentist. | Privacy. After that I progressed to a 1,500 grit stone. Smaller sharpening angles produces very sharp blades ideal for precise cutting and chopping. I think for S90V it's about patience and the willingness to put in the strokes. rex 121 S90V steel is another super steel produced by crucible industries. You absolutely want to get the diamond rods for maintaining your bevel. Yes it's ridiculously expensive, and yes it requires the patience of a saint to sharpen but outside its less common cousin CPM-S110V (see above) nothing holds an edge or withstands abrasion quite like CPM S90V. Cautions Broce, The first time you use [a guide kit] on your knife will usually take the longest, as your edge angle adjusts to the way you use the sharpener.. S90V Steel Vs S35VN. That would be dependent on what steels, it can take a lower edge than S90V, but requires a more obtuse angle than 13C26, assuming you want a high polish. We can sharpen anything in your life - except for your karaoke skills, can't help there. I'd highly recommend picking up the diamond or CBN rods. Edge pro definitely works. Noctis3880 Joined Jul 22, 2009 Messages 11,409 Sep 25, 2010 #8 Steve, Id start with a $7-10 lighted 10x loupe available on Amazon. Focus on sharpening with little to no distractions. MSRP: $25. You have entered an incorrect email address! "When it comes to sharpening you need something hard enough to remove Vanadium carbides and Niobium carbides, which are around 82 HRC, without getting the material over the tempering temperature," said Skibitski. When I have used the 80's I spend a lot of . It is a process of trial and error, Crawford notes. The secret to sharpening any knife is knowing which grit to start with. Ohhhh yeah!! lol. We offer two different polishing options so your razor can return home exactly how you intend! I'm really interested in the upcoming CF/Ti Millie from KW, but I'm a little apprehensive about my ability to sharpen S90V given my limited experience, and that mostly with softer steels. :). Most Japanese and new cutlery are sharpened at 15-17 degrees. I took my para2 in s90v from 120 grit up to 3000 in less than an hour. What is it about S90V that makes it hold the edge so good? Knives sharpened at this angle should only be used for slicing meat or cutting very soft foods but never for chopping needs. The resulting sharpness was checked with the Edge on Up tester to ensure the knife was measured as no higher than 150g with the BESS media. You must log in or register to reply here. Selecting the right sharpening angle is an important step in knife sharpening because it determines the blades sharpness and durability. For the tougher steels I tend to agree with others that it's best to keep the edge touched up often. For kitchen knives that see light duty cutting food on cutting boards, or a task-specific hunting knife like a camping knife, a low angle is ideal, counters Crawford. Are you looking for sharpness or durability? 1095 But, if I do a few passes on the fine and ultra fine it gets me there. I have this inexpensive model that does what i need it to do, also great on the lower magnification for removing splinters! It offers the same unparalleled edge retention as S90V. The method enables you to see how much more you must sharpen off in order for the edge bevel to be reestablished. The blade was reasonably sharp, but the tip was completely rounded over. The diamond rods are mandatory. Sharpening can be dangerous, so be sure you are in the right frame of mind when you do itnot mentally or physically tired, nor pre-occupied. I really appreciate it Mike!! The temperature range that he refers to is around 350 to 400 degrees Fahrenheit. Now the edge was very sharp, After that I progressed to 2,200 grit and kept at it for nearly an hour. Thanks for the link. lol .Thanks for everyones advise! Again, I kept at it for almost three hours. A desk ruler and angle finder in that sweet, sweet Titanium? Conversely, he adds, if you sharpen at a wider angle, such as 25 degrees, the edge will still be very sharp but you gain improved edge retention and, thus, eliminate the need for more frequent maintenance. A day without laughter is a day wasted. How should you go about establishing the edge angle when you sharpen? Im new to this so looking for recommendations. The key here is to select a sharpener you feel very comfortable in using. Benchmade uses its SelectEdge 14-degree included edge on the knife. Most kitchen and outdoor knives fall under the category of 17-22 sharpening degrees. Take a flat area to take the positions. CPM 3V Agrees Kyle Crawford, brand manager for Work Sharp, The answer is often different for everyone.. You must be logged in to reply to this topic. In fact, all of our story sources cited the intended use of the knife as a deciding factor. Inspect the edge with a scope or loop. Continue with Recommended Cookies. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright document.write(new Date().getFullYear()); Caribou Media Group | All rights reserved. For knives without the SelectEdge technology, Benchmade offers the Edge Maintenance Tool, also designed with and manufactured by Work Sharp. This will allow you to better adjust your sharpening angle to match your bevels for effectiveness. Doesn't need much, if any stropping after, if the finishing touches from the hones are good (light touch, always). 20 degrees is the best sharpening angle for beginners. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You are using an out of date browser. May I ask what you guys use to inspect the blade edge with so close? Very informative and encouraging at the same time. The grit was too coarse, and I left deep scratches in the bevel, not to mention all the scratches I made by not being careful and taping up the blade. These properties determine the purpose of the knife. Recent Forums Main Forum Knife Specific Discussion Benchmade How to Sharpen CPM S90V. I watched Michael Christy sharpen it several times but he talks about how he goes about sharpening it and doesnt compare the toothy vs polished edge. About five strokes at a 20-degree angle down each side of the blade should remove these imperfections. These all are describing the hardness of . The 25 dps sharpened knife saw almost no edge damage with 2 ft-lbs while a 15 dps edge saw a significant chip with only 0.3 ft-lbs and catastrophic chipping with 1.4 ft-lbs. You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. Regardless of what sharpener you get, nothing surpasses never losing your edge altogether. S45VN Steve I like using the lightest grit you can get by with, like airscapes wrote. Youre looking for that single position and angle setting that removes all the marker across the entire height of the bevel. All Rights Reserved. MSRP: $199.95. DOWNSIZED 2X72 It is the lowest angle recommended for most blades, and they produce good cutting power. I switched to Nano cloth using 0.050 micron diamond slurry. You must be logged in to reply to this topic. Decreased angle to 17dps balsa strops 1, .5 diamond paste each 50 strokes per side 8. Free shipping for many products! Contacts. One of the best cutting blades on the market, super steel at a mid-range price, unique quarter stop slipjoint mechanism, great clip and carry, something different. Big mistake. 1 of 2 Go to page. My super fine stones are rarely used. Diamond Machining Technology (DMT) offers the Double Sided Diafold Magna-Guide Sharpening System centered around the companys Double Sided Diafold folding diamond files. Heat treat has as much to do as angle. A harder steel with higher yield strength can be ground to a small included angle with less worry about rolling or deforming the edge, she says. Designed by BLADE Magazine Cutlery Hall-Of-Fame member Ken Onion, the Elite makes quick work of bringing completely dull and/or damaged knife edges back to life and is fully adjustable for applying edges between 10 and 35 degrees. To connect, just join the interlocking fingers and slide on the locking corner plate to pull the substrates firmly together. Keep in mind that the first time any knife is put in a WEPS you need to document it with the AAG and establish the WEPS apex profile. Is there anything else I would need to get a hair whittling edge? I agree David, fixing up edge damage like grinding out visible chips changes the picture completely. From there adjust your edge angle to a lower degree and take a few more passes to see how the ink is being removed. There are plenty of sharpeners capable of reproducing keen edges. You can do it on regular stones, but it is a lot of work. The nice thing about diamond lapping film is that it is still a powerful abrasive, but it also polishes the edge to mirror finish. Standard SM plus diamond rods are pretty capable. This angle is very low for knives. I've liked it coming straight off either a Coarse (325) or Fine (600) DMT. The brown rods can produce a hair whittling edge. Another good tip, regardless of which sharpener you use, is the tried-and-true black marker trick. The reason folks get frustrated with learning to sharpen is they dont keep the angles consistent. (Marty Stanfield Photography) Manage Settings SPY27 S90V We come to you and breathe new life into your knives, blades and edged equipment. The manufacturer of Bench-made knife recommends you to use 30 to 35 degrees angle sharping, which you need to follow. With a total angle of 20 to 34 degrees, this is still a very fine edge. Such edges are suitable for blades used to cut soft material because there is less risk of abuse that might lead to breakage and other forms of damage. Wicked Edge Precision Knife Sharpener | Topic: How to Sharpen CPM S90V, This topic has 0 replies, 1 voice, and was last updated, This topic was modified 2 years, 2 months ago by. The thicker the blade, the more material you will have to remove to create a low edge angle.. The edges do not give precise cuts, but they will withstand impact and pressure without breaking or chipping. I'll also include a little insight as to the steel choice, CPM S90V.. It also has coarse-, medium-, and fine-grit diamond-coated hones for fine-tuning the edge once its been established. I do like the ease of sharpening 12C27, 420HC etc. To be honest, I never saw a knife so sharp. I have never been able to raise a burr with S90V, so I relied on my touch. S90V from Benchmade sharpens up much easier than S110V and almost as easy as S30V. I never did get the blade as sharp as I wanted because normal grit progressions dont apply to S90V. I know its harder to sharpen but holds an edge longer. knowledge base. A metal guide rod affixes securely to the Double Sided Diafold file via a large rare earth magnet. I prefer a fixed angle system (I use the Edge Pro) if I decide to change the profile or the edge requires major repair but once that's done I return to the SM for normal maintenance. That can do wonders to maintain an edge between sharpenings, also. If deciding to go for a full polish on S90V, it should be straightforward using a full sequence in diamond, through Fine/EF/EEF and hard strops with diamond compound in at least 3 and finer. It is suitable for straight razors used to cut soft materials like hair. Dave, I'll agree w/ you on this steel. Gallery. Im wondering what the best practice would be to maintain the sharp edge with S90V? The sharpmaker can easily sharpen S90V if the sharpener has the ability. Its all about the angles. Any diamond system that will let you control the angle will do. On the other hand, wider angles create durable blade edges suitable for demanding cutting jobs like slicing bones or cutting coarse vegetables. Rain Bird PGA In-Line / Angle Valve with Flow Control 2 in. pocket knife The stones used in this video are a coarse diamond plat. The EoS and ER numbers are scaled 1 to 10, with EoS = 10 being easiest to sharpen and ER = 10 denoting highest edge retention. If no chips then start with 1500 and see if that will bring it back with a 8 or 10 passes. Add to Cart. They should be here next week. Not sure that analogy holds up. The goal is to sharpen the blade, removing the black marker ink from both sides. I just got in the mail my 3rd military, this one is the knifeworks exclusive in S90v.
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